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WEBVTT WITH A LITTLE BIT EARLIER IN THE SHOW. >> JOINING US NOW IS DAVID BUTLER. YOU'RE WITH THE RIVER KEEPER. THANK YOU FOR COMING HERE TO THE STUDIO AND ALL THE WITH US. WE REPORTED EARLIER THAT YOU'VE BEEN TALKING OR HAVE TALKED WITH COLONIAL PIPELINE. CAN YOU GIVE US AN UPDATE ABOUT WHAT YOU KNOW? >> JUST AS FAR AS I KNOW, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE WORKING AS HARD AS THEY CAN TO KIND OF UNDERSTAND EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENED. THEY HAVE CREWS MOVING IN HERE NOW TO SET UP AN INCIDENT COMMAND POST. AND THEY WILL BE RESPONDING KIND OF WITH ALL THE RESOURCES AVAILABLE TO THEM, TO BOTH MINIMIZE THE IMPACT TO THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN THE AREA, THE 350E7 PEOPLE THAT ARE WORKING THERE, AND ALSO TO PROTECT THE RIVER, WHICH IS NOT FAR AWAY. >> WE DO KNOW THIS ISN'T A HEAVY POPULATED AREA. BUT IT IS VERY CLOSE TO THE COPPER RIVER. >> IT IS. VERY CLOSE TO THE RIVER. EVEN THOUGH IT'S NOT HEAVILY POPULATED, A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT MOVE AROUND THROUGH THIS AREA, SO IT'S DEFINITELY GOING TO BE A DISRUPTION TO THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN THAT AREA. AND, YOU KNOW, COMING ON THE HEELS OF THE SPILL A COUPLE -- SIX WEEKS AGO, IT'S SOMETHING THAT PEOPLE ARE HAVING TO DEAL WITH AGAIN. >> DO YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, THE FIRST THING WHEN WE HEAR THIS, WE THINK THEY'RE CONNECTED SOMEHOW. THIS MIGHT HAVE BEEN WORK ON THE SITE OF THE LEAK. ARE THESE TWO INCIDENTS CONNECTED AT ALL? >> NOT THAT I KNOW OF. I'M NOT SURE EXACTLY WHAT THE CONTRACTORS, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE PURPOSE OF THE WORK THAT THEY WERE DOING BUT IT'S DEFINITELY A GOOD BIT AWAY FROM WHERE THE PREVIOUS LEAK WAS. SO IN TERMS OF A CONNECTION, I'M NOT REALLY SURE THAT THERE'S ANYTHING THAT STANDS OUT THAT IS A DEFINITE, YOU KNOW, CONNECTION BESIDES IT'S THE SAME PIPE ITSELF. >> AFTER THE INITIAL SPILL BACK ON SEPTEMBER 9, YOU SEEMED PRETTY SATISFIED ABOUT WHAT COLONIAL PIPELINE WAS DOING TO FIX THAT SITUATION. HOW ARE YOU FEELING NOW? >> YOU KNOW, I STILL FEEL REALLY GOOD ABOUT THE WAY THAT THEY RESPONDED THE LAST TIME. AND WHEN YOU SAY THAT, THAT DOESN'T DISMISS THE FACT THAT WE'RE EXTREMELY DISAPPOINTED THAT IT HAPPENED IN THE FIRST PLACE. HAVING SOMETHING LIKE THIS HAPPEN AGAIN, I WOULD SAY IT'S BEYOND DISAPPOINTING, HEARTBREAKING EVEN. AND I THINK JUST IN THE CONVERSATIONS I'VE HAD WITH COLONIAL, THAT THEY'RE HEARTBROKEN TOO. THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THEY'RE USED TO DEAL WITH, ESPECIALLY IN THE SAME AREA, IN THE SAME AMOUNT OF TIME. SO, YOU KNOW, ALL WE CAN DO IS KIND OF JUDGE BY THE WAY WE WORKED WITH THEM IN THE PAST AND WE HOPE THAT GOING FORWARD, THROUGH THIS INCIDENT, THAT THEY'LL DEMONSTRATE THE SAME COMMITMENT BOTH TO THE RIVER AND THE PEOPLE THAT ARE AFFECTED BY IT. AND SO, YOU KNOW, AT THIS POINT, WE'RE DEFINITELY PLEASED THAT THEY'RE WILLING TO COMMUNICATE AND KEEP US UP-TO-DATE ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON. BUT, YOU KNOW, IN ANY KIND OF SITUATION LIKE THIS, YOU CAN NEVER FEEL COMFORTABLE TILL IT'S OVER. SO WE REALLY HAVEN'T CLOSED OUT THE LAST SPILL. SO HAVING ANOTHER ONE ON TOP OF THAT IS SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, IT'S HEARTBREAKING. IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WE'RE ANTICIPATING TO HAVE SOMETHING HAPPEN AGAIN THIS QUICKLY. YOU KNOW, JUST IN TERMS OF OUR RELATIONSHIP WITH THEM, WE KNOW THAT THEY HAVE A LOT OF THE SAME CONCERNS, NOT JUST FOR THE ENVIRONMENT BUT ALSO THE PEOPLE THAT ARE OUT THERE WORKING. THE LAST TIME THE SPELL INVOLVED, YOU KNOW, GAS THAT WASN'T ON FIRE. AND SO THIS IS A WHOLE DIFFERENT EXPERIENCE. AND WE'RE CERTAINLY VERY, VERY CONCERNED FOR ALL THE FIRST RESPONDERS THAT HAVE TO BE OUT THERE FIGHTING THIS FIRE. AND IN EXTREMELY TOUGH, DRY CONDITIONS. SO, YOU KNOW, THAT'S OUR PRIMARY CONCERN RIGHT NOW, IS THE PEOPLE THAT ARE OUT THERE RESPONDING TO IT. >> AND FROM WHAT YOU SAID BEFORE, THAT IT'S NOT JUST ONE PIPE AS IT WAS LAST TIME. NOW IT'S TWO. >> AND WE DON'T KNOW, YOU KNOW, WHICH PIPE IS NECESSARILY ON FIRE.% BUT THEY'RE SO CLOSE TO EACH OTHER THAT CERTAINLY BOTH PIPES ARE IN DANGER AT THIS POINT. SO, YOU KNOW, UNTIL THEY GET THE FIRE OUT, I THINK THAT'S GOING TO BE AN ONGOING CONCERN. AND I DON'T THINK THAT THEY CAN GET CLOSE ENOUGH AT THIS POINT TO REALLY ASSESS KIND OF WHAT THE, YOU KNOW, THE DANGER IS TO THOSE PARALLEL PIPELINES. >> ALL RIGHT. DAVID BUTLER WITH THE RIVER KEEPER. I KNOW YOU'RE GOING TO BE KEEPING A CLOSE EYE ON