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GOP candidates tangle in Milwaukee as they vie to be the leading alternative to front-runner Trump

GOP candidates tangle in Milwaukee as they vie to be the leading alternative to front-runner Trump
ROOM. ALL RIGHT, MATT, THANK YOU. WE ARE FORTUNATE TONIGHT TO BE JOINED BY FORMER WISCONSIN GOVERNOR TOMMY THOMPSON FOR HIS ANALYSIS ON TONIGHT鈥橲 DEBATE. YOU KNOW WHAT IT鈥橲 LIKE TO BE NOT ONLY ON THE STAGE, BUT ALSO THE SPIN ROOM THAT鈥橲 RAPID FIRE BACK THERE. THAT鈥橲, YOU KNOW, WE DON鈥橳 SEE THAT VERY OFTEN. BUT I THINK THIS DEBATE WAS SO ENERGETIC AND A LITTLE BIT RAUCOUS AT TIMES. AND I THINK THE MODERATORS SORT OF LET IT GO. AND AS A RESULT OF THAT, I THINK THE PEOPLE GOT GOT THEIR GOT A REAL DEBATE. AND THEY COVERED A LOT OF ISSUES THAT EVERYBODY鈥橲 CONCERNED ABOUT. CLEM AND WARMING THE ECONOMY, ABORTION. GOVERNOR, WHO DO YOU THINK WON? I THINK THAT THERE WERE FOUR WINNERS. I THINK DESANTIS WON. I THINK VIVEK HAD A GREAT NIGHT. PENCE HAD A GREAT NIGHT. AND NIKKI HALEY HAD A GREAT NIGHT. I THINK ALL FOUR OF THOSE WERE ABLE TO ACQUIT THEMSELVES AND SHOW A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE OTHER CANDIDATES. BUT ALL OF THEM HAD AT MOMENTS WERE ABLE TO GET A QUIP IN OR REMARK IN THAT SAID, YOU KNOW, THEY MADE A LOT OF SENSE. AND I THOUGHT THAT WAS THAT WAS A GOOD IT WAS A GOOD DEBATE. AND WHAT BETTER PLACE TO HAVE IT THAN WISCONSIN? WAS THERE ANY ONE YOU MENTIONED SEVERAL NAMES THERE, BUT WAS THERE ANY ONE WHO CAME OUT WITH MAYBE A LITTLE MORE FIRE THAN YOU EXPECTED TONIGHT? OH, BIBIG WELL, I MEAN, BIBIC WAS ON FIRE. AND BUT I THINK DESANTIS HELD IS ON. I SAID IF ANYBODY REALLY WAS ABLE TO SHOW THAT HE鈥橲 PRESIDENTIAL AND WAS ABLE TO SHOW THAT HE鈥橲 SOMEBODY THAT THEY SHOULD TAKE A LOOK AT INSTEAD OF DONALD TRUMP, IT WOULD HAVE TO BE DESANTIS TONIGHT. I THINK THAT WAS PRETTY OBVIOUS TO ME, GOVERNOR, EARLIER THIS SUMMER WHEN RON DESANTIS CAME TO WISCONSIN, YOU ATTENDED AN EVENT FOR HIM, RIGHT? ARE WE TO THINK THAT MEANS THAT HE IS YOUR FAVORED CANDIDATE RIGHT NOW? NO, NO, ABSOLUTELY NOT. BUT I WANTED TO HEAR HEAR HIM ON THE STAGE WITH OTHER CANDIDATES. AND I THOUGHT HIS HIS COMMENTS OR REMARKS WERE VERY GOOD. AND HE ANSWERED THE QUESTIONS. AND HE DIDN鈥橳 INTERRUPT PEOPLE AS MUCH AS THE OTHER CANDIDATES DID. AND I THOUGHT HE WAS A MATURE STATESMAN UP THERE. AND I THOUGHT HE DID A GOOD JOB. BUT I ALSO THOUGHT NIKKI HALEY, ON THE ABORTION QUESTION WAS VERY GOOD. AND I THOUGHT PENCE PROBABLY HAD THE BEST DEBATE I鈥橵E EVER HEARD HIM HAVE HE? I MEAN, HE REALLY WAS ABLE TO GIVE SOME GOOD ANSWERS. HE SPOKE QUITE PASSIONATELY, ESPECIALLY ABOUT US INVOLVEMENT IN THE WAR IN UKRAINE. ABSOLUTELY. AND HE MADE SENSE. AND SO YOU鈥橠 HAVE TO SAY, YOU KNOW, THAT PENCE DID A GOOD JOB. VIVEK WAS WAS REALLY ON FIRE AND HAD SOME GOOD RETORTS AND KNOW HE HE MADE A COUPLE COMMENTS THAT REALLY IS GOING TO HURT HIM. EVERYBODY UP HERE IS BOUGHT AND PAID FOR EXCEPT ME. YOU DON鈥橳 MAKE A STATEMENT LIKE THAT. BUT OTHER TIMES HE鈥橠 MADE SOME REALLY GOOD COMMENTS THAT I THINK PEOPLE WERE GOING TO STAND UP AND SAY, I LIKE THAT GUY. HE鈥橲 GOT A LOT OF ENERGY AND A LOT OF YOUNG PEOPLE LIKE HIM. EARLIER TONIGHT, WE ASKED YOU ABOUT THE FORMER PRESIDENT WHO WAS THE FRONT RUNNER IN THE POLLS, AND HE CHOSE NOT TO TO BE HERE. AND YOU SAID YOU UNDERSTOOD WHY HE WASN鈥橳 HERE. DO YOU THINK THIS IS I WANT TO GO BACK TO THE QUESTION WE ASKED EARLIER, WAS THAT THE RIGHT CHOICE AFTER WATCHING THIS DEBATE FOR HIM? NOT TO BE HERE? ABSOLUTELY. IT ABSOLUTELY WAS. ABSOLUTELY. DO YOU THINK THIS IS WHAT THESE CANDIDATES NEEDED FOR HIM NOT TO BE ON ON STAGE, TO HAVE THEIR OPPORTUNITY UP THERE? THAT鈥橲 THAT鈥橲 WHAT THEY NEEDED. THEY NEEDED TO TRY AND SHOW THAT THEY WERE DIFFERENT THAN DONALD TRUMP AND THEY HAD TO TRY AND SHOW THAT THEY WERE GOING TO BE ABLE TO LEAD THIS COUNTRY AND SOLIDIFY THE REPUBLICAN PARTY, THE BASE AND SO ON. AND BE ABLE TO BEAT THE PRESIDENT. DONALD TRUMP HAS SAID THAT HE WAS GOING TO WATCH TONIGHT AND TO SEE MAYBE WHO COULD BE HIS VICE PRESIDENT. NOW, AS YOU AS YOU WATCH TONIGHT, DID YOU THINK THAT VIVEK KIND OF POSITIONED HIMSELF IN THAT? NO, ABSOLUTELY NOT.
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GOP candidates tangle in Milwaukee as they vie to be the leading alternative to front-runner Trump
Nearly all of the Republican presidential candidates vying to be the leading alternative to front-runner Donald Trump said they would support the former president if he is the party's nominee even if he is convicted in a court of law as they gathered on stage for the first time.The question came nearly an hour into Wednesday night's first primary debate hosted by Fox News Channel in Milwaukee and a day before Trump, who declined to participate, is set to surrender in Georgia on charges of trying to overturn the state's 2020 election.Moderators Bret Baier and Martha MacCallum said they would spend just a 鈥渂rief moment" discussing what they called 鈥渢he elephant not in the room,鈥� drawing boos from the audience.鈥淪omeone鈥檚 got to stop normalizing misconduct. Whether or not you believe that the criminal charges are right or wrong, the conduct is beneath the office of president of the United States,鈥� said former New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie, who has emerged as one of Trump's harshest critics and was one of only two candidates who did not raise their hands when asked if they would support him. Christie was promptly booed.Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis, who is polling a distant second to Trump, was among those who did raise his hand. He said former Vice President Mike Pence 鈥渄id his duty鈥� on Jan. 6, 2021, when he refused to go along with Trump's scheme to overturn the vote, but nonetheless pressed the hosts to move on.Video below: Ramaswamy: When it comes to the White House we're gonna need an outside鈥淭his election is not about Jan. 6, 2021. It鈥檚 about Jan. 20 of 2025 when the next president is going to take office," he said.With less than five months until the Iowa caucuses jumpstart the GOP presidential nomination process, the debate is a critical opportunity for lower-polling candidates to introduce themselves to millions of voters, many of whom are just beginning to pay attention to the race. The pressure is greatest for DeSantis, who announced his campaign in May to great fanfare but has since struggled to gain traction and is now fighting to maintain his distant second-place status.Video below: Mike Pence: I thought it was a great nightAlso on stage were South Carolina Sen. Tim Scott, former U.N. Ambassador Nikki Haley, tech entrepreneur Vivek Ramaswamy, former Arkansas Gov. Asa Hutchinson and North Dakota Gov. Doug Burgum, who was hospitalized after hurting his Achilles tendon but chose to participate nonetheless.The prime-time event was unfolding at a moment of reckoning for the Republican Party.Trump is the prohibitive early front-runner in the race, raising serious questions about whether the party will have much of a competitive primary. Yet Trump's vulnerabilities in a general election are clear, particularly after four criminal indictments that charge him with hoarding classified documents, conspiring to overturn the 2020 election and making hush money payments to a porn actor and other women. On Thursday, Trump is set to travel to Georgia to be booked again on criminal charges.Video below: DeSantis PAC uses AI-generated Trump voice in campaign adYet Trump's standing in the primary has only increased as the charges have mounted, leaving the GOP on track 鈥� barring a stunning realignment 鈥� to nominate a candidate who would enter the race against President Joe Biden, a Democrat, in a potentially weak position. Polling this month from The Associated Press-NORC Center for Public Affairs Research found 64% of Americans are unlikely to support Trump if he is the GOP nominee, including 53% who say they would definitely not support him and 11% who say they would probably not support him in November 2024.While DeSantis had expected to be the top target as the front-runner on the stage, the candidates focused their early attacks on Ramaswamy, who has been rising in the polls.鈥淣ow is not the time for on-the-job training. We don鈥檛 need to bring in a rookie. We don鈥檛 need to bring in people without experience,鈥� said Pence, tried to position himself as the most experienced one on the stage.Christie also laced into Ramaswamy.鈥淚鈥檝e had enough already tonight of a guy who sounds like ChatGPT standing up here,鈥� he said, calling him an 鈥渁mateur.鈥濃淕ive me a hug just like you did to Obama,鈥� Ramaswamy shot back 鈥� a reference to Christie鈥檚 embrace of the former president after a storm ravaged his state.Haley, the only woman on stage, tried to rise above the fray. Video below: Haley anticipates polling bump post-debate鈥淚 think this is exactly why Margaret Thatcher said, 鈥業f you want something said, ask a man. If you want something done, ask a woman,鈥� she said.The debate demonstrated sharp divisions within the party on issues, including the war between Russia and Ukraine after Russia鈥檚 invasion nearly 18-months ago. Both DeSantis and Ramaswamy said they opposed more funding to Ukraine, arguing the money should be spent securing the U.S. border against drug and human trafficking. 鈥淎s president of the United States your first obligation is to defend our country and its people,鈥� DeSantis saidRamaswamy compared support for Ukraine to the ill-fated U.S. military interventions in Iraq and Vietnam.鈥淭he realty is that today Ukraine is not a priority for the United States of America,鈥� he said.Christie, Haley and Pence cast support for Ukraine as a moral obligation and a national security imperative, warning that Russian President Vladimir Putin will continue his aggression if he succeeds in Ukraine, potentially threatening U.S. allies.鈥淎nybody who thinks we can't solve problems here in the United States and be the leader of the free world has a small view of the greatest nation on earth,鈥� Pence said.The candidates also tangled on abortion, underscoring the party鈥檚 challenges on the issue after the Supreme Court overturned Roe v. Wade last year. All of the candidates identified as 鈥減ro-life,鈥� but differed on when restrictions should kick in after the court ended the constitutional right to an abortion, leading to a wave of restrictions in Republican-led states.DeSantis refused again to say whether he supports a federal ban.鈥淚鈥檓 going to stand on the side of life. Look, I understand Wisconsin is going to do it different than Texas. I understand Iowa and New Hampshire are going to be different, but I will support the cause of life as governor and as president,鈥� he said.Haley again argued for consensus on the issue, saying passing a federal ban would be highly unlikely without more Republicans in Congress.鈥淐onsensus is the opposite of leadership,鈥� rebutted Pence, who has made his opposition to abortion rights a central tenet of his campaign. Pence supports a federal ban on abortion at six weeks, before many women even know they鈥檙e pregnant, and has called on the field to back a 15-week national ban as a minimum.Video below: On abortion, Tim Scott calls for ban after 15 weeks gestationThe debate was held at the Fiserv Forum in downtown Milwaukee, the arena that is home to the Milwaukee Bucks basketball team. The city will also be the site of next summer鈥檚 Republican convention, a sign of the state's premier battleground status.The Republican National Committee had set polling and donor thresholds and required participants to sign a loyalty pledge in order to qualify.Trump had long said he felt it would be foolish to participate, given his dominant lead in the race.His decision to boycott was nonetheless a blow to the network, which had wooed him privately and publicly to appear. Instead, Trump pre-recorded an interview with ex-Fox host Tucker Carlson that was posted to the platform formerly known as Twitter right before the debate kicked off.鈥淒o I sit there for an hour or two hours, whatever it鈥檚 going to be, and get harassed by people that shouldn鈥檛 even be running for president? Should I be doing that at a network that isn鈥檛 particularly friendly to me?鈥� Trump said in the 46-minute interview.鈥淚鈥檓 going to have all these people screaming at me, shouting questions at me, all of which I love answering, I love doing. But it doesn鈥檛 make sense to do them so I鈥檓 taking a pass,鈥� he said.___ Colvin reported from Washington and Cooper from Phoenix. Associated Press writers Steve Peoples and Michelle Price in New York contributed to this report.

Nearly all of the Republican presidential candidates vying to be the leading alternative to front-runner Donald Trump said they would support the former president if he is the party's nominee even if he is convicted in a court of law as they gathered on stage for the first time.

The question came nearly an hour into Wednesday night's first primary debate hosted by Fox News Channel in Milwaukee and a day before Trump, who declined to participate, is set to surrender in Georgia on charges of trying to overturn the state's 2020 election.

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Moderators Bret Baier and Martha MacCallum said they would spend just a 鈥渂rief moment" discussing what they called 鈥渢he elephant not in the room,鈥� drawing boos from the audience.

MILWAUKEE, WISCONSIN - AUGUST 23: Republican presidential candidates (L-R), former Arkansas Gov. Asa Hutchinson, former New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie, former U.S. Vice President Mike Pence, Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis, Vivek Ramaswamy, former U.N. Ambassador Nikki Haley, U.S. Sen. Tim Scott (R-SC) and North Dakota governor Doug Burgum participate in the first debate of the GOP primary season hosted by FOX News at the Fiserv Forum on August 23, 2023 in Milwaukee, Wisconsin. The 8 presidential hopefuls squared off in the first Republican debate as former U.S. President Donald Trump, currently facing indictments in four locations, declined to participate in the event. (Photo by Win McNamee/Getty Images)
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Republican presidential candidates (L-R), former Arkansas Gov. Asa Hutchinson, former New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie, former U.S. Vice President Mike Pence, Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis, Vivek Ramaswamy, former U.N. Ambassador Nikki Haley, U.S. Sen. Tim Scott (R-SC) and North Dakota governor Doug Burgum participate in the first debate of the GOP primary season hosted by FOX News at the Fiserv Forum on August 23, 2023 in Milwaukee, Wisconsin.

鈥淪omeone鈥檚 got to stop normalizing misconduct. Whether or not you believe that the criminal charges are right or wrong, the conduct is beneath the office of president of the United States,鈥� said former New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie, who has emerged as one of Trump's harshest critics and was one of only two candidates who did not raise their hands when asked if they would support him. Christie was promptly booed.

Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis, who is polling a distant second to Trump, was among those who did raise his hand. He said former Vice President Mike Pence 鈥渄id his duty鈥� on Jan. 6, 2021, when he refused to go along with Trump's scheme to overturn the vote, but nonetheless pressed the hosts to move on.

Video below: Ramaswamy: When it comes to the White House we're gonna need an outside

鈥淭his election is not about Jan. 6, 2021. It鈥檚 about Jan. 20 of 2025 when the next president is going to take office," he said.

With less than five months until the Iowa caucuses jumpstart the GOP presidential nomination process, the debate is a critical opportunity for lower-polling candidates to introduce themselves to millions of voters, many of whom are just beginning to pay attention to the race. The pressure is greatest for DeSantis, who announced his campaign in May to great fanfare but has since struggled to gain traction and is now fighting to maintain his distant second-place status.

Video below: Mike Pence: I thought it was a great night

Also on stage were South Carolina Sen. Tim Scott, former U.N. Ambassador Nikki Haley, tech entrepreneur Vivek Ramaswamy, former Arkansas Gov. Asa Hutchinson and North Dakota Gov. Doug Burgum, who was hospitalized after hurting his Achilles tendon but chose to participate nonetheless.

The prime-time event was unfolding at a moment of reckoning for the Republican Party.

Trump is the prohibitive early front-runner in the race, raising serious questions about whether the party will have much of a competitive primary. Yet Trump's vulnerabilities in a general election are clear, particularly after four criminal indictments that charge him with hoarding classified documents, conspiring to overturn the 2020 election and making hush money payments to a porn actor and other women.

On Thursday, Trump is set to travel to Georgia to be booked again on criminal charges.

Video below: DeSantis PAC uses AI-generated Trump voice in campaign ad

Yet Trump's standing in the primary has only increased as the charges have mounted, leaving the GOP on track 鈥� barring a stunning realignment 鈥� to nominate a candidate who would enter the race against President Joe Biden, a Democrat, in a potentially weak position. Polling this month from The Associated Press-NORC Center for Public Affairs Research found 64% of Americans are unlikely to support Trump if he is the GOP nominee, including 53% who say they would definitely not support him and 11% who say they would probably not support him in November 2024.

While DeSantis had expected to be the top target as the front-runner on the stage, the candidates focused their early attacks on Ramaswamy, who has been rising in the polls.

鈥淣ow is not the time for on-the-job training. We don鈥檛 need to bring in a rookie. We don鈥檛 need to bring in people without experience,鈥� said Pence, tried to position himself as the most experienced one on the stage.

Christie also laced into Ramaswamy.

鈥淚鈥檝e had enough already tonight of a guy who sounds like ChatGPT standing up here,鈥� he said, calling him an 鈥渁mateur.鈥�

鈥淕ive me a hug just like you did to Obama,鈥� Ramaswamy shot back 鈥� a reference to Christie鈥檚 embrace of the former president after a storm ravaged his state.

Haley, the only woman on stage, tried to rise above the fray.

Video below: Haley anticipates polling bump post-debate

鈥淚 think this is exactly why Margaret Thatcher said, 鈥業f you want something said, ask a man. If you want something done, ask a woman,鈥� she said.

The debate demonstrated sharp divisions within the party on issues, including the between Russia and Ukraine after Russia鈥檚 invasion nearly 18-months ago. Both DeSantis and Ramaswamy said they opposed more funding to Ukraine, arguing the money should be spent securing the U.S. border against drug and human trafficking.

鈥淎s president of the United States your first obligation is to defend our country and its people,鈥� DeSantis said

Ramaswamy compared support for Ukraine to the ill-fated U.S. military interventions in Iraq and Vietnam.

鈥淭he realty is that today Ukraine is not a priority for the United States of America,鈥� he said.

Christie, Haley and Pence cast support for Ukraine as a moral obligation and a national security imperative, warning that Russian President Vladimir Putin will continue his aggression if he succeeds in Ukraine, potentially threatening U.S. allies.

鈥淎nybody who thinks we can't solve problems here in the United States and be the leader of the free world has a small view of the greatest nation on earth,鈥� Pence said.

The candidates also tangled on abortion, underscoring the party鈥檚 challenges on the issue after the Supreme Court overturned Roe v. Wade last year. All of the candidates identified as 鈥減ro-life,鈥� but differed on when restrictions should kick in after the court ended the constitutional right to an abortion, leading to a wave of restrictions in Republican-led states.

DeSantis refused again to say whether he supports a federal ban.

鈥淚鈥檓 going to stand on the side of life. Look, I understand Wisconsin is going to do it different than Texas. I understand Iowa and New Hampshire are going to be different, but I will support the cause of life as governor and as president,鈥� he said.

Haley again argued for consensus on the issue, saying passing a federal ban would be highly unlikely without more Republicans in Congress.

鈥淐onsensus is the opposite of leadership,鈥� rebutted Pence, who has made his opposition to abortion rights a central tenet of his campaign. Pence supports a federal ban on abortion at six weeks, before many women even know they鈥檙e pregnant, and has called on the field to back a 15-week national ban as a minimum.

Video below: On abortion, Tim Scott calls for ban after 15 weeks gestation

The debate was held at the Fiserv Forum in downtown Milwaukee, the arena that is home to the Milwaukee Bucks basketball team. The city will also be the site of next summer鈥檚 Republican convention, a sign of the state's .

The Republican National Committee had set polling and donor thresholds and required participants to sign a loyalty pledge in order to qualify.

Trump had long said he felt it would be foolish to participate, given his dominant lead in the race.

His decision to boycott was nonetheless a blow to the network, which had wooed him privately and publicly to appear. Instead, Trump pre-recorded an interview with that was posted to the platform formerly known as Twitter right before the debate kicked off.

鈥淒o I sit there for an hour or two hours, whatever it鈥檚 going to be, and get harassed by people that shouldn鈥檛 even be running for president? Should I be doing that at a network that isn鈥檛 particularly friendly to me?鈥� Trump said in the 46-minute interview.

鈥淚鈥檓 going to have all these people screaming at me, shouting questions at me, all of which I love answering, I love doing. But it doesn鈥檛 make sense to do them so I鈥檓 taking a pass,鈥� he said.

___

Colvin reported from Washington and Cooper from Phoenix. Associated Press writers Steve Peoples and Michelle Price in New York contributed to this report.