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The candidates go after Biden 鈥� and Trump 鈥� at second GOP debate

The candidates go after Biden 鈥� and Trump 鈥� at second GOP debate
AREA OF SACRAMENTO. THANK YOU. WELL, THE STAGE IS SET FOR TONIGHT鈥橲 SECOND REPUBLICAN PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE. SEVEN CANDIDATES WILL FACE OFF AT THE RONALD REAGAN PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY IN SIMI VALLEY. THE GOP CANDIDATES ARE ALL LOOKING TO MAKE THEIR CASE, HOPING TO FIND THOSE KIND OF BREAKOUT MOMENTS THAT RESONATE WITH VOTERS. KCRA THREE CAPITOL CORRESPONDENT ASHLEY ZAVALA JOINS US LIVE FROM SIMI VALLEY WITH A LOOK AT WHAT WE CAN EXPECT TO SEE. ASHLEY. ELISA SECURITY FOR THIS IS EXTREMELY TIGHT. WE鈥橰E ACTUALLY AT A PARKING LOT, THE MEDIA PARKING LOT FOR THE REAGAN LIBRARY, WHICH IS THE VENUE FOR TONIGHT鈥橲 DEBATE STAGE. NOW, CALIFORNIA HAS AN EARLY PRIMARY ELECTION IN MARCH AND THE LARGEST SHARE OF DELEGATES OF ANY STATE IN THE COUNTRY. SO CALIFORNIA COULD REALLY BE THE DETERMINING FACTOR IN WHO THAT REPUBLICAN NOMINEE FOR PRESIDENT ENDS UP BEING FOR THE GENERAL ELECTION IN NOVEMBER. SO TONIGHT, WE鈥橰E EXPECTED TO HEAR POTENTIALLY THE DEBATE CANDIDATES TALKING ABOUT CALIFORNIA CENTRIC ISSUES, WHETHER THAT鈥橲 HOMELESSNESS, LABOR OR EDUCATION, FOR EXAMPLE. BUT OUTSIDE LEADING UP TO THE DEBATE TONIGHT, VOTERS ARE HAVING A DEBATE OF THEIR OWN. THAT TIGHT SECURITY IS NOT STOPPING DOZENS OF TRUMP SUPPORTERS FROM HOLDING A RALLY OUTSIDE THE LIBRARY. WE SAW A COUNTER-PROTEST WITH SERVICE WORKERS WHO WERE YELLING IN SPANISH, QUOTE, BECAUSE OF YOUR HATE, THEY ABUSE US. WE ALSO SAW A SMALL DEMOCRATIC DEMONSTRATION BUT IN FAVOR OF WHO EXPERTS SAY IS BIDEN鈥橲 LONG SHOT OPPONENT, ROBERT F KENNEDY. WELL, IT鈥橲 A GOOD WAY TO AUDITION FOR VICE PRESIDENT AND SECRETARY OF STATE. I WOULD SAY I WOULD TELL DESANTIS AND NIKKI HALEY AS WELL. I WANT PEOPLE TO KNOW THAT THAT THAT I BELIEVE THAT KENNEDY AND HIS POSITIONS ON ON THE WAR IN UKRAINE AND SOME OF THE OTHER SOCIAL POSITIONS IS SOMETHING THAT WE REALLY NEED TO TAKE SERIOUSLY. AND LOOK LOOK AT HARD. AND SO MY MY GOAL IS TO GET HAVE PEOPLE SEE THE SIGN AND MAYBE TAKE A SECOND THOUGHT ABOUT KENNEDY. NOW, NOTABLY ABSENT FROM THE DEBATE STAGE TONIGHT WILL BE THE POLLING FRONTRUNNER, FORMER PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP. BUT EVEN THOUGH HE鈥橲 NOT TAKING THIS STAGE TO SPEAK DIRECTLY TO CALIFORNIA VOTERS, HE鈥橲 EXPECTED TO DO JUST THAT LATER THIS WEEK IN ANAHEIM AT THE CALIFORNIA GOP CONVENTION LATER THIS WEEK. WELL, AND ASHLEY, WHAT CAN YOU TELL US ABOUT THE DEMOCRATIC RESPONSE TO THE DEBATE? RIGHT. YEAH, FOR CALIFORNIA GOVERNOR GAVIN NEWSOM IS EXPECTED TO DELIVER THAT DEMOCRATIC RESPONSE OFFICIALLY. HE鈥橲 ACTUALLY GOING TO BE INSIDE THE SPIN ROOM AT THE REAGAN LIBRARY FOR THIS. BUT HE鈥橲 ALREADY TOLD REPORTERS THIS WEEK THAT HE BELIEVES THAT THIS IS JUST A DEBATE FOR VICE PRESIDENT. REPORTING HERE IN SIMI VALLEY, ASHLEY ZAVALA, KCRA THREE NEWS, VE
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The candidates go after Biden 鈥� and Trump 鈥� at second GOP debate
Donald Trump鈥檚 rivals were quick to lay into him during the second presidential debate on Wednesday, ripping the former president for skipping the event as they sought to blunt the momentum that has seen him build a commanding early lead in the Republican primary. Seven GOP candidates squared off at the Ronald Reagan Presidential Library in California for an event hosted by Fox Business Network, including Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis, former Vice President Mike Pence, entrepreneur Vivek Ramaswamy, Sen. Tim Scott of South Carolina, former United Nations Ambassador Nikki Haley, former New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie and North Dakota Gov. Doug Burgum.Trump was in Michigan, delivering a prime-time speech that continued through the start of the debate, attempting to capitalize on the Auto Workers Union strike and trying to appeal to rank-and-file union members in a key state that could help decide the general election.Read the live updates of the second debate written in reverse chronological order below:Who would you vote off the GOP island?As the debate neared its end, moderator Dana Perino asked the candidates to write down which of their on-stage competitors should be voted off the 2024 GOP island.But they didn鈥檛 bite. 鈥淲ith all due respect, I think that that鈥檚 disrespectful,鈥� DeSantis said in response to the 鈥淪urvivor鈥�-style question.Christie said Trump should be booted given his decision to skip the debate, and he accused him of dividing the country.Ramaswamy slipped in the last word, praising Trump鈥檚 legacy but saying he was the better candidate to push forward an 鈥淎merica first鈥� agenda.And with that, the second Republican primary debate was over.Ramaswamy levels criticism toward UkraineRamaswamy is leveling criticism toward Ukraine in answer to a question about continuing U.S. support for the country.鈥淛ust because Putin is an evil dictator does not mean Ukraine is good,鈥� Ramaswamy says.He also says China, not Russia, is the United States鈥� real enemy, and argues that the hard U.S. line toward Russia 鈥渋s driving Russia further into China鈥檚 arms.鈥滵eSantis rejects idea that anti-abortion stance costs GOP electionsDeSantis is rejecting the idea that Republicans have been losing elections because of their opposition to abortion, and he says his reelection as Florida governor last year is proof he鈥檚 right.Democrats have leaned into the debate over abortion rights since a conservative majority on the Supreme Court overturned Roe v. Wade last year. Voters have repeatedly supported abortion rights, and Democrats and even Trump have said it鈥檚 a big reason for the party鈥檚 better-than-expected performance in the midterms and in other elections since then.DeSantis signed into law a ban on abortions at six weeks of pregnancy, before some women know they鈥檙e pregnant. He went on to easily win a second term.Video below: Ohio voters reject proposal in state's special election, siding against anti-abortion stanceAsked about the possibility that swing state Arizona will have an abortion question on its ballot next year, making it tougher for Republicans to win there, DeSantis dismissed the idea. He also called out Trump, who said it was a 鈥渢errible mistake鈥� for DeSantis to sign the ban.DeSantis said Republicans must go on the offensive and hit Democrats for their 鈥渆xtremism鈥� on the issue.Haley pivots debate conversation to China again and againWarning about the threats she perceived are posed by China is key to Haley鈥檚 stump, and it鈥檚 on full display in the debate.Several times, Haley has pivoted her part in the conversation by noting that some U.S. supplies of amoxicillin come from China. Several times, she has pointed to Ramaswamy鈥檚 ties to the country, from business deals to his presence on TikTok, a wholly owned subsidiary of Chinese technology firm ByteDance Ltd.Haley also went after Trump鈥檚 China policy, saying that she feels the former president was too focused on the U.S.-China trade relationship and did too little about possible threats from the country.Going against medical professionals, Ramaswamy calls being transgender a 鈥榤ental health disorder鈥橰amaswamy called being transgender a 鈥渕ental health disorder鈥� and 鈥渃onfusion鈥� in response to a question about parental notification about their children鈥檚 gender identities. That's in direct contrast to guidance from the American Psychiatric Association, which says diverse gender expressions 鈥渁re not indications of a mental disorder.鈥漈o make his point, Ramaswamy noted that he recently met two young women who later regretted their gender-affirming surgeries.While it鈥檚 possible, regret after a gender transition is rare. In a review of 27 studies involving almost 8,000 teens and adults who had transgender surgeries, mostly in Europe, the U.S and Canada, 1% on average expressed regret.Video below: What does it mean to be a transgender woman in America?Haley tells Ramaswamy: 鈥榃e can鈥檛 trust you'For a moment, it was Haley vs. Ramaswamy, round two.As they did in last month鈥檚 debut debate, Haley and Ramaswamy had a split-screen sparring back-and-forth in which Haley went after the political newcomer for inexperience and, she alleged, dangerous ideas.Asked about his recent conversation with a TikTok influencer, Ramaswamy defended his use of the platform.鈥淚鈥檓 the new guy here, and so I know I have to earn your trust,鈥� Ramaswamy said. 鈥淚鈥檓 here to tell you, no, I don鈥檛 know at all. I will listen.鈥� Interjecting by calling TikTok 鈥渄angerous,鈥� Haley went on to address Ramaswamy directly 鈥� and personally.鈥淓very time I hear you, I feel a little bit dumber for what you say,鈥� Haley said. 鈥淲e can鈥檛 trust you.鈥漅amaswamy responded by saying that 鈥淚 think we would be better served as a Republican Party if we鈥檙e not sitting here hurling personal insults,鈥� before the moderators moved on to another topic.Video below: Haley tells Ramaswamy: 鈥榃e can鈥檛 trust you'Moderator threatens to cut Burgum's micThe debate is getting chaotic at times, with candidates shouting over one another and the moderators scolding them for not waiting their turns.At one point, moderator Dana Perino warned Burgum, who was trying to interrupt the questioning, that they would have to cut off his microphone if he didn鈥檛 stop interjecting. 鈥淚 don鈥檛 want to do that,鈥� she said, pleadingly 鈥淚 don鈥檛.鈥滿oderators also told candidates multiple times that the cross-talking meant they would get fewer questions.Scott says there is no redeeming quality in slaveryThe topic of education also led to the issue of teaching about racism in public schools. Under DeSantis, Florida approved a controversial curriculum that suggests some enslaved people learned useful skills while they were in bondage.Scott, the only Black candidate on stage Wednesday night, reiterated his criticism of the curriculum under DeSantis by saying, 鈥淭here is not a redeeming quality in slavery.鈥滺e also suggested that the United States had turned the page on its history.鈥淲e are the greatest nation on earth because we faced our demons in the mirror,鈥� Scott said. He added that, 鈥淎merica is not a racist country.鈥漀o new ground broken on immigration at debateCandidates have devoted significant time to discussing the border but said nothing significantly new. Their policy prescriptions were largely in line with each other and with Trump, who made it a signature issue.Pence, ignoring a question about what he would do to protect immigrants who came to the country as young children, spoke about a Trump-era policy to make asylum-seekers wait in Mexico for U.S. court hearings and cracking down on asylum. Ramaswamy spoke about repealing a constitutional right to birthright citizenship, a position that Trump has entertained.Video below: DeSantis discusses primary, call for lethal force at borderCandidates spoke as if the influx of asylum-seekers began under Biden鈥檚 watch, but it began years earlier. By 2017, the United States became the world鈥檚 most popular destination for asylum-seekers, a position it has held ever since, according to the U.N. refugee agency.Migration has unquestionably grown sharply under Biden. Border arrests topped 2.2 million at the Mexican border in the 2022 fiscal year, which runs from October to September, the highest on record and more than twice the peak year of 852,000 under Trump in 2019. Arrests topped 400,000 during Obama鈥檚 last full year in office.People arriving in families with children under 18 are again behind surging numbers, reaching 93,108 arrests in August, surpassing the previous high of 84,486 under Trump鈥檚 watch in May 2019.Youngest candidate says teens should avoid 鈥榓ddictive social media鈥橦e鈥檚 the only GOP presidential candidate on TikTok, but Ramaswamy is talking about teens staying away from 鈥渁ddictive social media.鈥滻n a question about security, Ramaswamy pivoted to a discussion of border security, talking about teens turning to social media like Snapchat to procure pharmaceuticals.鈥淚f you鈥檙e 16 years old or under, you should not be using an addictive social media product, period,鈥� he said.Ramaswamy, who at 38 is the youngest candidate on stage, has referred to TikTok as 鈥渄igital fentanyl鈥� but earlier this month joined the platform, with his campaign saying he was angling to appeal to younger voters.The platform has been met with bipartisan criticism that it is a potential spy mechanism for China.Border wall won't stop fentanyl from coming across borderRamaswamy鈥檚 argument about sealing the border with a wall to stop fentanyl from coming in ignores the fact that the vast majority of fentanyl goes through official land crossings, much of it by U.S. citizens. A wall will do nothing to stop that.Fentanyl seizures occurred predominantly at official land crossings, where commuters and visitors smuggle drugs on their bodies or in their vehicles. From September through August, 11.4 tons of the 12.8 tons of fentanyl seized at the border Mexico were discovered at land crossings, while the remaining 1.4 tons were in between border crossings, where people enter the country illegally.At a hearing July 12, James Mandryck, a Customs and Border Protection deputy assistant commissioner, said 73% of fentanyl seizures at the border since the previous October were smuggling attempts carried out by U.S. citizens, with the rest being done by Mexican citizens.Trump gets a nickname of his own: Donald DuckChristie has a new name for Trump 鈥� Donald Duck.A former ally who broke with Trump over his election denial, Christie awarded the moniker to the absent Republican front-runner for skipping the debate.Speaking into the camera, Christie said, 鈥淚 know you鈥檙e watching鈥� because 鈥測ou can鈥檛 help yourself.鈥� And he accused Trump of being absent because 鈥測ou鈥檙e afraid of being on this stage and defending your record.鈥濃淣o one up here is going to call you Donald Trump anymore. We鈥檙e going to call you Donald Duck.鈥漋ideo below: Christie says he'll use skills gained as prosecutor to track, confront Donald TrumpPence reminds voters of his time as VPPence is using his time onstage to remind viewers he鈥檚 a White House alumnus.Twice asked a question about working to protect immigrants from deportation if they came with their parents as young children, Pence ignored it and emphasized his resume instead.The former vice president recalled how during the Trump administration, he had negotiated the policy to make asylum seekers wait in Mexico for court hearings in the U.S.鈥淭his is no time for on the job training,鈥� Pence said. 鈥淚鈥檓 going to be ready on Day 1.鈥漇cott accuses Ramaswamy of being in business with CCPScott briefly shed his Mr. Nice Guy reputation to flame Ramaswamy for being 鈥渋n business with the Chinese Communist Party.鈥漈he attack line, a reference to Ramaswamy鈥檚 former career as an entrepreneur, fulfilled a promise from Scott鈥檚 campaign that the South Carolina senator would be more aggressive after being overshadowed in the first debate.Ramaswamy responded angrily, leading to a long stretch of crosstalk that the moderators struggled to rein in.鈥淲hen you all speak at the same time, no can understand you,鈥� said Univision anchor Ilia Calder贸n.Some of DeSantis' ideas for China match Biden's actionsDeSantis says the United States needs a 鈥渢otally new approach to China.鈥漃art of what he calls for Biden is already doing. That includes strengthening U.S. hard power in the Indo-Pacific. DeSantis does call for 鈥渄ecoupling鈥� the U.S. economy from China.Biden is trying to wean the U.S. supply chain off China but denies seeking to decouple the two economies.Burgum not waiting for his turnBurgum is looking for more talking time 鈥� and he鈥檚 not being shy about it.The North Dakota governor interjected a couple of times in the first 20 minutes of Wednesday night鈥檚 debate, talking over moderators and his fellow hopefuls, in one response interjecting, 鈥淣obody answered the question鈥� after others were asked about child care.鈥淲e will get you some questions,鈥� said moderator Dana Perino. 鈥淏ut you will have to let us move on.鈥漈here have already been several moments where the moderators struggled to get candidates to stop talking among themselves and focus on the question at hand.Candidates agree US economic future should be powered by gasGOP presidential candidates started their second debate by mostly agreeing that the U.S. economic future should be powered by gasoline.In lockstep, they all demonized the Biden administration鈥檚 support for electric vehicles. It鈥檚 a shift that is meant to limit the damages of climate change, but presidential candidates say it would hurt the U.S. auto sector and enrich China. The unanimity reflected the challenge candidates face to stand out on policy issues.鈥淛oe Biden鈥檚 Green New Deal agenda is good for Beijing and bad for Detroit,鈥� Pence said.Burgum said unionized autoworkers are striking because their employers 鈥渘eed two-thirds less workers to build an electric car.鈥漅amaswamy went to his refrain that he would 鈥渦nlock American energy, drill, frack, burn coal, embrace nuclear energy.鈥滵eSantis takes early swing at Trump in debateAfter taking criticism for going soft on Trump, DeSantis took a swing at him early in the debate.鈥淎nd you know who is missing in action? Donald Trump is missing in action,鈥� DeSantis said, blasting the former president for skipping the debate.The criticism came shortly after a similar attack from Christie, who said Trump 鈥渉ides behind the walls of his golf clubs鈥� instead of answering questions.DeSantis鈥� swipe at Trump marks a definite shift for the Florida governor, who largely avoided pointed criticism of the former president in the first debate.Scott angling to be more of the conversationScott didn鈥檛 have much talking time during the first GOP debate, but he started to make up for that as soon as Wednesday night鈥檚 gathering got underway.The first question went to Scott, who caught criticism for saying 鈥測ou strike, you鈥檙e fired鈥� about the United Auto Workers dispute. Scott quipped that Biden 鈥渟hould not be on the picket line, he should be on the southern border,鈥� turning the rest of his answer to concerns about border security.Scott also was asked to respond after Pence said Biden 鈥渂elongs on the unemployment line,鈥� saying he disagreed with Scott.鈥淭here鈥檚 no doubt that Joe Biden needs to be fired,鈥� Scott said. 鈥淭hat鈥檚 why I鈥檓 running for president.鈥漅epublicans turn questions about autoworkers strike into Biden attackThe debate started with questions about the United Auto Workers strike, but the Republicans kept the focus squarely on Biden.鈥淛oe Biden should not be on the picket line. He should be on the southern border,鈥� said Scott, who got the first question.Next up was Ramaswamy, who said the workers should 鈥済o picket in front of the White House in Washington, D.C.,鈥� because 鈥渢hat鈥檚 really where the protest needs to be.鈥漃ence took a swing at it next. 鈥淛oe Biden doesn鈥檛 belong on the picket line. He belongs on the unemployment line.鈥漈rump calls his rivals 鈥榯he job candidates鈥橝s his rivals got ready to debate Wednesday night, Trump was railing against electric cars in a speech in Michigan.Trump, speaking at a non-union manufacturing plant outside out of Detroit, briefly referenced the proceedings about to begin in California.鈥淲e鈥檙e competing with the job candidates,鈥� he said of his rivals. 鈥淭hey鈥檙e all job candidates, they want to be in the 鈥� they鈥檒l do anything. Secretary of something. They even say VP, does anybody see any VP in the group? I don鈥檛 think so.鈥滲iden zeroed in on GOP candidate missing from debateSeven candidates will be on stage for the second Republican primary debate, but Biden is keeping his focus on the one who isn鈥檛 there 鈥� Trump.It鈥檚 a logical choice when the former president is the runaway favorite for his party鈥檚 2024 nomination.鈥淒onald Trump and the MAGA Republicans are determined to destroy this democracy,鈥� Biden said Tuesday night at a California fundraiser.Biden plans to deliver his fourth in a series of presidential addresses about the state of democracy during a visit to Arizona on Thursday.The debate beginsThe second Republican presidential debate is underway in California.It鈥檚 being moderated by Fox Business Network host Stuart Varney and Fox News Channel host Dana Perino, as well as Univision anchor Ilia Calder贸n.The event is airing on Fox News Channel and Fox Business, as well as on the network鈥檚 website and other streaming and digital platforms. There鈥檚 also a Spanish-language feed airing on Univision.Here's some important questions that may be answered tonightThe first debate was dominated by Ramaswamy, who swung at everyone else on stage and was targeted in return. Will he seek the spotlight in the same way?Haley had a comparatively strong showing last time. Does she become a target?The pressure remains on DeSantis, who has sunk substantially in polls from his high point earlier this year. Will he be more aggressive?The biggest question is whether anyone on the stage will be playing to win. So far the campaign has been all about jostling for second place while Trump hogs the spotlight. Will any of the candidates target the front-runner, or will they keep hanging back and hoping for a political miracle?

Donald Trump鈥檚 rivals were quick to lay into him during the second presidential debate on Wednesday, ripping the former president for skipping the event as they sought to blunt the momentum that has seen him build a commanding early lead in the Republican primary.

Seven GOP candidates squared off at the Ronald Reagan Presidential Library in California for an event hosted by Fox Business Network, including Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis, former Vice President Mike Pence, entrepreneur Vivek Ramaswamy, Sen. Tim Scott of South Carolina, former United Nations Ambassador Nikki Haley, former New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie and North Dakota Gov. Doug Burgum.

Trump was in Michigan, delivering a prime-time speech that continued through the start of the debate, attempting to capitalize on the Auto Workers Union strike and trying to appeal to rank-and-file union members in a key state that could help decide the general election.

Read the live updates of the second debate written in reverse chronological order below:


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Who would you vote off the GOP island?

As the debate neared its end, moderator Dana Perino asked the candidates to write down which of their on-stage competitors should be voted off the 2024 GOP island.

But they didn鈥檛 bite. 鈥淲ith all due respect, I think that that鈥檚 disrespectful,鈥� DeSantis said in response to the 鈥淪urvivor鈥�-style question.

Florida Governor Ron DeSantis looks on as former Governor from South Carolina and UN ambassador Nikki Haley shakes hands with North Dakota Governor Doug Burgum following the second Republican presidential primary debate at the Ronald Reagan Presidential Library in Simi Valley, California, on September 27, 2023. (Photo by Robyn BECK / AFP) (Photo by ROBYN BECK/AFP via Getty Images)
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Florida Governor Ron DeSantis looks on as former Governor from South Carolina and UN ambassador Nikki Haley shakes hands with North Dakota Governor Doug Burgum following the second Republican presidential primary debate at the Ronald Reagan Presidential Library in Simi Valley, California, on September 27, 2023.

Christie said Trump should be booted given his decision to skip the debate, and he accused him of dividing the country.

Ramaswamy slipped in the last word, praising Trump鈥檚 legacy but saying he was the better candidate to push forward an 鈥淎merica first鈥� agenda.

And with that, the second Republican primary debate was over.

Ramaswamy levels criticism toward Ukraine

Ramaswamy is leveling criticism toward Ukraine in answer to a question about continuing U.S. support for the country.

鈥淛ust because Putin is an evil dictator does not mean Ukraine is good,鈥� Ramaswamy says.

He also says China, not Russia, is the United States鈥� real enemy, and argues that the hard U.S. line toward Russia 鈥渋s driving Russia further into China鈥檚 arms.鈥�

DeSantis rejects idea that anti-abortion stance costs GOP elections

DeSantis is rejecting the idea that Republicans have been losing elections because of their opposition to abortion, and he says his reelection as Florida governor last year is proof he鈥檚 right.

Democrats have leaned into the debate over abortion rights since a conservative majority on the Supreme Court overturned Roe v. Wade last year. Voters have repeatedly supported abortion rights, and Democrats and even Trump have said it鈥檚 a big reason for the party鈥檚 better-than-expected performance in the midterms and in other elections since then.

DeSantis signed into law a ban on abortions at six weeks of pregnancy, before some women know they鈥檙e pregnant. He went on to easily win a second term.

Video below: Ohio voters reject proposal in state's special election, siding against anti-abortion stance

Asked about the possibility that swing state Arizona will have an abortion question on its ballot next year, making it tougher for Republicans to win there, DeSantis dismissed the idea. He also called out Trump, who said it was a 鈥渢errible mistake鈥� for DeSantis to sign the ban.

DeSantis said Republicans must go on the offensive and hit Democrats for their 鈥渆xtremism鈥� on the issue.

Haley pivots debate conversation to China again and again

Warning about the threats she perceived are posed by China is key to Haley鈥檚 stump, and it鈥檚 on full display in the debate.

Several times, Haley has pivoted her part in the conversation by noting that some U.S. supplies of amoxicillin come from China. Several times, she has pointed to Ramaswamy鈥檚 ties to the country, from business deals to his presence on TikTok, a wholly owned subsidiary of Chinese technology firm ByteDance Ltd.

Haley also went after Trump鈥檚 China policy, saying that she feels the former president was too focused on the U.S.-China trade relationship and did too little about possible threats from the country.

Going against medical professionals, Ramaswamy calls being transgender a 鈥榤ental health disorder鈥�

Ramaswamy called being transgender a 鈥渕ental health disorder鈥� and 鈥渃onfusion鈥� in response to a question about parental notification about their children鈥檚 gender identities. That's in direct contrast to guidance from the American Psychiatric Association, which says diverse gender expressions 鈥�.鈥�

To make his point, Ramaswamy noted that he recently met two young women who later regretted their gender-affirming surgeries.

While it鈥檚 possible, regret after a gender transition is rare. In a review of 27 studies involving almost 8,000 teens and adults who had transgender surgeries, mostly in Europe, the U.S and Canada, 1% on average expressed regret.

Video below: What does it mean to be a transgender woman in America?

Haley tells Ramaswamy: 鈥榃e can鈥檛 trust you'

For a moment, it was Haley vs. Ramaswamy, round two.

As they did in last month鈥檚 debut debate, Haley and Ramaswamy had a split-screen sparring back-and-forth in which Haley went after the political newcomer for inexperience and, she alleged, dangerous ideas.

Asked about his recent conversation with a TikTok influencer, Ramaswamy defended his use of the platform.

鈥淚鈥檓 the new guy here, and so I know I have to earn your trust,鈥� Ramaswamy said. 鈥淚鈥檓 here to tell you, no, I don鈥檛 know at all. I will listen.鈥� Interjecting by calling TikTok 鈥渄angerous,鈥� Haley went on to address Ramaswamy directly 鈥� and personally.

鈥淓very time I hear you, I feel a little bit dumber for what you say,鈥� Haley said. 鈥淲e can鈥檛 trust you.鈥�

Ramaswamy responded by saying that 鈥淚 think we would be better served as a Republican Party if we鈥檙e not sitting here hurling personal insults,鈥� before the moderators moved on to another topic.

Video below: Haley tells Ramaswamy: 鈥榃e can鈥檛 trust you'


Moderator threatens to cut Burgum's mic

The debate is getting chaotic at times, with candidates shouting over one another and the moderators scolding them for not waiting their turns.

At one point, moderator Dana Perino warned Burgum, who was trying to interrupt the questioning, that they would have to cut off his microphone if he didn鈥檛 stop interjecting. 鈥淚 don鈥檛 want to do that,鈥� she said, pleadingly 鈥淚 don鈥檛.鈥�

Moderators also told candidates multiple times that the cross-talking meant they would get fewer questions.

Scott says there is no redeeming quality in slavery

The topic of education also led to the issue of teaching about racism in public schools. Under DeSantis, Florida approved a controversial curriculum that suggests some enslaved people learned useful skills while they were in bondage.

Scott, the only Black candidate on stage Wednesday night, reiterated his criticism of the curriculum under DeSantis by saying, 鈥淭here is not a redeeming quality in slavery.鈥�

He also suggested that the United States had turned the page on its history.

鈥淲e are the greatest nation on earth because we faced our demons in the mirror,鈥� Scott said. He added that, 鈥淎merica is not a racist country.鈥�

No new ground broken on immigration at debate

Candidates have devoted significant time to discussing the border but said nothing significantly new. Their policy prescriptions were largely in line with each other and with Trump, who made it a signature issue.

Pence, ignoring a question about what he would do to protect immigrants who came to the country as young children, spoke about a Trump-era policy to make asylum-seekers wait in Mexico for U.S. court hearings and cracking down on asylum. Ramaswamy spoke about repealing a constitutional right to birthright citizenship, a position that Trump has entertained.

Video below: DeSantis discusses primary, call for lethal force at border

Candidates spoke as if the influx of asylum-seekers began under Biden鈥檚 watch, but it began years earlier. By 2017, the United States became the world鈥檚 most popular destination for asylum-seekers, a position it has held ever since, according to the U.N. refugee agency.

Migration has unquestionably grown sharply under Biden. Border arrests topped 2.2 million at the Mexican border in the 2022 fiscal year, which runs from October to September, the highest on record and more than twice the peak year of 852,000 under Trump in 2019. Arrests topped 400,000 during Obama鈥檚 last full year in office.

People arriving in families with children under 18 are again behind surging numbers, reaching 93,108 arrests in August, surpassing the previous high of 84,486 under Trump鈥檚 watch in May 2019.

Youngest candidate says teens should avoid 鈥榓ddictive social media鈥�

He鈥檚 the only GOP presidential candidate on TikTok, but Ramaswamy is talking about teens staying away from 鈥渁ddictive social media.鈥�

In a question about security, Ramaswamy pivoted to a discussion of border security, talking about teens turning to social media like Snapchat to procure pharmaceuticals.

鈥淚f you鈥檙e 16 years old or under, you should not be using an addictive social media product, period,鈥� he said.

Ramaswamy, who at 38 is the youngest candidate on stage, has referred to TikTok as 鈥渄igital fentanyl鈥� but earlier this month joined the platform, with his campaign saying he was angling to appeal to younger voters.

The platform has been met with bipartisan criticism that it is a potential spy mechanism for China.

Border wall won't stop fentanyl from coming across border

Ramaswamy鈥檚 argument about sealing the border with a wall to stop fentanyl from coming in ignores the fact that the vast majority of fentanyl goes through official land crossings, much of it by U.S. citizens. A wall will do nothing to stop that.

Fentanyl seizures occurred predominantly at official land crossings, where commuters and visitors smuggle drugs on their bodies or in their vehicles. From September through August, 11.4 tons of the 12.8 tons of fentanyl seized at the border Mexico were discovered at land crossings, while the remaining 1.4 tons were in between border crossings, where people enter the country illegally.

At a hearing July 12, James Mandryck, a Customs and Border Protection deputy assistant commissioner, said 73% of fentanyl seizures at the border since the previous October were smuggling attempts carried out by U.S. citizens, with the rest being done by Mexican citizens.

Trump gets a nickname of his own: Donald Duck

Christie has a new name for Trump 鈥� Donald Duck.

A former ally who broke with Trump over his election denial, Christie awarded the moniker to the absent Republican front-runner for skipping the debate.

Speaking into the camera, Christie said, 鈥淚 know you鈥檙e watching鈥� because 鈥測ou can鈥檛 help yourself.鈥� And he accused Trump of being absent because 鈥測ou鈥檙e afraid of being on this stage and defending your record.鈥�

鈥淣o one up here is going to call you Donald Trump anymore. We鈥檙e going to call you Donald Duck.鈥�

Video below: Christie says he'll use skills gained as prosecutor to track, confront Donald Trump


Pence reminds voters of his time as VP

Pence is using his time onstage to remind viewers he鈥檚 a White House alumnus.

Twice asked a question about working to protect immigrants from deportation if they came with their parents as young children, Pence ignored it and emphasized his resume instead.

The former vice president recalled how during the Trump administration, he had negotiated the policy to make asylum seekers wait in Mexico for court hearings in the U.S.

鈥淭his is no time for on the job training,鈥� Pence said. 鈥淚鈥檓 going to be ready on Day 1.鈥�

Scott accuses Ramaswamy of being in business with CCP

Scott briefly shed his Mr. Nice Guy reputation to flame Ramaswamy for being 鈥渋n business with the Chinese Communist Party.鈥�

The attack line, a reference to Ramaswamy鈥檚 former career as an entrepreneur, fulfilled a promise from Scott鈥檚 campaign that the South Carolina senator would be more aggressive after being overshadowed in the first debate.

Ramaswamy responded angrily, leading to a long stretch of crosstalk that the moderators struggled to rein in.

鈥淲hen you all speak at the same time, no can understand you,鈥� said Univision anchor Ilia Calder贸n.

Some of DeSantis' ideas for China match Biden's actions

DeSantis says the United States needs a 鈥渢otally new approach to China.鈥�

Part of what he calls for Biden is already doing. That includes strengthening U.S. hard power in the Indo-Pacific. DeSantis does call for 鈥渄ecoupling鈥� the U.S. economy from China.

Biden is trying to wean the U.S. supply chain off China but denies seeking to decouple the two economies.

Burgum not waiting for his turn

Burgum is looking for more talking time 鈥� and he鈥檚 not being shy about it.

The North Dakota governor interjected a couple of times in the first 20 minutes of Wednesday night鈥檚 debate, talking over moderators and his fellow hopefuls, in one response interjecting, 鈥淣obody answered the question鈥� after others were asked about child care.

Former Governor of New Jersey Chris Christie looks on as North Dakota Governor Doug Burgum speaks during the second Republican presidential primary debate at the Ronald Reagan Presidential Library in Simi Valley, California, on September 27, 2023. (Photo by Robyn BECK / AFP) (Photo by ROBYN BECK/AFP via Getty Images)
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Former Governor of New Jersey Chris Christie looks on as North Dakota Governor Doug Burgum speaks during the second Republican presidential primary debate at the Ronald Reagan Presidential Library in Simi Valley, California, on September 27, 2023.

鈥淲e will get you some questions,鈥� said moderator Dana Perino. 鈥淏ut you will have to let us move on.鈥�

There have already been several moments where the moderators struggled to get candidates to stop talking among themselves and focus on the question at hand.

Candidates agree US economic future should be powered by gas

GOP presidential candidates started their second debate by mostly agreeing that the U.S. economic future should be powered by gasoline.

In lockstep, they all demonized the Biden administration鈥檚 support for electric vehicles. It鈥檚 a shift that is meant to limit the damages of climate change, but presidential candidates say it would hurt the U.S. auto sector and enrich China. The unanimity reflected the challenge candidates face to stand out on policy issues.

鈥淛oe Biden鈥檚 Green New Deal agenda is good for Beijing and bad for Detroit,鈥� Pence said.

Burgum said unionized autoworkers are striking because their employers 鈥渘eed two-thirds less workers to build an electric car.鈥�

Ramaswamy went to his refrain that he would 鈥渦nlock American energy, drill, frack, burn coal, embrace nuclear energy.鈥�

DeSantis takes early swing at Trump in debate

After taking criticism for going soft on Trump, DeSantis took a swing at him early in the debate.

鈥淎nd you know who is missing in action? Donald Trump is missing in action,鈥� DeSantis said, blasting the former president for skipping the debate.

SIMI VALLEY, CALIFORNIA - SEPTEMBER 27: Republican presidential candidate Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis delivers remarks during the FOX Business Republican Primary Debate at the Ronald Reagan Presidential Library on September 27, 2023 in Simi Valley, California. Seven presidential hopefuls squared off in the second Republican primary debate as former U.S. President Donald Trump, currently facing indictments in four locations, declined again to participate. (Photo by Justin Sullivan/Getty Images)
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Republican presidential candidate Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis delivers remarks during the FOX Business Republican Primary Debate at the Ronald Reagan Presidential Library on September 27, 2023 in Simi Valley, California.

The criticism came shortly after a similar attack from Christie, who said Trump 鈥渉ides behind the walls of his golf clubs鈥� instead of answering questions.

DeSantis鈥� swipe at Trump marks a definite shift for the Florida governor, who largely avoided pointed criticism of the former president in the first debate.

Scott angling to be more of the conversation

Scott didn鈥檛 have much talking time during the first GOP debate, but he started to make up for that as soon as Wednesday night鈥檚 gathering got underway.

The first question went to Scott, who caught criticism for saying 鈥測ou strike, you鈥檙e fired鈥� about the United Auto Workers dispute. Scott quipped that Biden 鈥渟hould not be on the picket line, he should be on the southern border,鈥� turning the rest of his answer to concerns about border security.

Scott also was asked to respond after Pence said Biden 鈥渂elongs on the unemployment line,鈥� saying he disagreed with Scott.

鈥淭here鈥檚 no doubt that Joe Biden needs to be fired,鈥� Scott said. 鈥淭hat鈥檚 why I鈥檓 running for president.鈥�

Republicans turn questions about autoworkers strike into Biden attack

The debate started with questions about the United Auto Workers strike, but the Republicans kept the focus squarely on Biden.

鈥淛oe Biden should not be on the picket line. He should be on the southern border,鈥� said Scott, who got the first question.

Next up was Ramaswamy, who said the workers should 鈥済o picket in front of the White House in Washington, D.C.,鈥� because 鈥渢hat鈥檚 really where the protest needs to be.鈥�

Pence took a swing at it next. 鈥淛oe Biden doesn鈥檛 belong on the picket line. He belongs on the unemployment line.鈥�

Trump calls his rivals 鈥榯he job candidates鈥�

As his rivals got ready to debate Wednesday night, Trump was railing against electric cars in a speech in Michigan.

Trump, speaking at a non-union manufacturing plant outside out of Detroit, briefly referenced the proceedings about to begin in California.

鈥淲e鈥檙e competing with the job candidates,鈥� he said of his rivals. 鈥淭hey鈥檙e all job candidates, they want to be in the 鈥� they鈥檒l do anything. Secretary of something. They even say VP, does anybody see any VP in the group? I don鈥檛 think so.鈥�

Biden zeroed in on GOP candidate missing from debate

Seven candidates will be on stage for the second Republican primary debate, but Biden is keeping his focus on the one who isn鈥檛 there 鈥� Trump.

It鈥檚 a logical choice when the former president is the runaway favorite for his party鈥檚 2024 nomination.

鈥淒onald Trump and the MAGA Republicans are determined to destroy this democracy,鈥� Biden said Tuesday night at a California fundraiser.

Biden plans to deliver his fourth in a series of presidential addresses about the state of democracy during a visit to Arizona on Thursday.

The debate begins

The second Republican presidential debate is underway in California.

It鈥檚 being moderated by Fox Business Network host Stuart Varney and Fox News Channel host Dana Perino, as well as Univision anchor Ilia Calder贸n.

The event is airing on Fox News Channel and Fox Business, as well as on the network鈥檚 website and other streaming and digital platforms. There鈥檚 also a Spanish-language feed airing on Univision.

SIMI VALLEY, CALIFORNIA - SEPTEMBER 27: Republican presidential candidates (L-R), North Dakota Gov. Doug Burgum, former New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie, former U.N. Ambassador Nikki Haley, Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis, Vivek Ramaswamy, U.S. Sen. Tim Scott (R-SC) and former U.S. Vice President Mike Pence are introduced during the FOX Business Republican Primary Debate at the Ronald Reagan Presidential Library on September 27, 2023 in Simi Valley, California. Seven presidential hopefuls squared off in the second Republican primary debate as former U.S. President Donald Trump, currently facing indictments in four locations, declined again to participate. (Photo by Mario Tama/Getty Images)
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Republican presidential candidates (L-R), North Dakota Gov. Doug Burgum, former New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie, former U.N. Ambassador Nikki Haley, Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis, Vivek Ramaswamy, U.S. Sen. Tim Scott (R-SC) and former U.S. Vice President Mike Pence are introduced during the FOX Business Republican Primary Debate at the Ronald Reagan Presidential Library on September 27, 2023 in Simi Valley, California.

Here's some important questions that may be answered tonight

The first debate was dominated by Ramaswamy, who swung at everyone else on stage and was targeted in return. Will he seek the spotlight in the same way?

Haley had a comparatively strong showing last time. Does she become a target?

The pressure remains on DeSantis, who has sunk substantially in polls from his high point earlier this year. Will he be more aggressive?

The biggest question is whether anyone on the stage will be playing to win. So far the campaign has been all about jostling for second place while Trump hogs the spotlight. Will any of the candidates target the front-runner, or will they keep hanging back and hoping for a political miracle?